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		<title>By: Other Annoyances</title>
		<link>http://lifewithoutfaith.com/?p=2349&#038;cpage=1#comment-1530</link>
		<dc:creator>Other Annoyances</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 22:03:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reminds me of a time when I was stuck in a plane on the airfield with some kind of weather delay.  They decided it would be appropriate to put Jerry Springer (I think, it might have been Geraldo instead) on the televisions with the sound over the PA.  It may not have been religion, but it was scarcely less annoying. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reminds me of a time when I was stuck in a plane on the airfield with some kind of weather delay.  They decided it would be appropriate to put Jerry Springer (I think, it might have been Geraldo instead) on the televisions with the sound over the PA.  It may not have been religion, but it was scarcely less annoying.</p>
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		<title>By: Kat</title>
		<link>http://lifewithoutfaith.com/?p=2349&#038;cpage=1#comment-516</link>
		<dc:creator>Kat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 12:33:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the letter was completely appropriate to let American Airlines know that this made the last remaining minutes of the flight uncomfortable for her and her husband, as well as possibly offend other passengers of other faiths.  
But I also would have done something before I wrote the letter so that I wouldn&#039;t have to ask in my letter who was responsible, I would have been able to tell them. 
 
At the end of the flight as we are deplaning, the pilot is usually standing right at the cockpit door, along with the co-pilot and a steward or 2, and I would have made a point to ask who chose and played those 3 songs, instead of saying thank you/good-bye like everyone does.  
Would it have held up the line of people to deplane? Well maybe for a minute, but deplaning always takes so long anyway, 1 more minute to ask to try to get an answer wouldn&#039;t have been so bad. 
Or I would have deplaned and instead of rushing straight to baggage claim, I would have sent my flying partner there and I would have waited for the pilot to deplane and come down the hallway, and then ask him.  
I would have wanted the name of the person responsible for choosing the music, and also for deciding to play it. 
On every flight I have taken, usually with Jet Blue, Allegiance Air,  or Delta, there has never been any type of music being played while boarding or deplaning, they always give out headphones so that passengers can choose their own music or watch the tv (in the case of Jet Blue with tvs in every seat). 
 
I would have wanted to know the name of person who chose the music and decided to play it so that when I wrote my letter, I could include that information along with my flight information so that AA could specifically look up that flight and speak with the persons responsible for making the last 10-15 minutes of my flight uncomfortable.  
 
Some asked if 1 song is ok or is 3 songs too many? Is there a number of songs that would have made it ok or worse? 
Personally, even 1 song of this type would have upset me and made the last 10-15 minutes of what was a pleasant flight, now turn bad. 
Instead of remembering a good flight, I would have been focused on that 1 song and how it made me feel.  
People like all kinds of different music, no matter what type of music the airline played, it would have upset at the very least 1-5 passengers on any given flight., so this is why, in my opinion, that airlines should choose not to play any music at all at any time during any flight.  
If they refrain from playing any music, then not a single passenger would have cause to be upset. 
 
Airlines are in the business of transporting people in basically, captivity, we are a totally captive audience, we have no choice but to listen to anything that may be played or spoken at any time during our flight, so if an airline wants to keep all of it&#039;s passengers happy and continuing to choose to fly with them on all future flights, they should choose not to possibly offend even a single passenger, and choose not play anything at all.  
 
This is of course, just my opinion, other people are obviously entitled to theirs, but now that I know there is a possibility of American Airlines playing christian music during flights, even just the last 10-15 minutes of a flight, it has already made my decision of which airline to NOT fly with much easier. 
I will not fly with American Airlines because of the possibility of christian music being played.  
 
I really hope that whomever was responsible for the music was told that it was a bad idea and to refrain from doing it in the future, but I highly doubt the person responsible will stop.  
Christians are supposed to share the word of their god with whoever they can whenever they can, they are supposed to share the message, so unless the person&#039;s job was on the line, they will probably continue to do this on more flights in the future.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the letter was completely appropriate to let American Airlines know that this made the last remaining minutes of the flight uncomfortable for her and her husband, as well as possibly offend other passengers of other faiths.<br />
But I also would have done something before I wrote the letter so that I wouldn&#039;t have to ask in my letter who was responsible, I would have been able to tell them. </p>
<p>At the end of the flight as we are deplaning, the pilot is usually standing right at the cockpit door, along with the co-pilot and a steward or 2, and I would have made a point to ask who chose and played those 3 songs, instead of saying thank you/good-bye like everyone does.<br />
Would it have held up the line of people to deplane? Well maybe for a minute, but deplaning always takes so long anyway, 1 more minute to ask to try to get an answer wouldn&#039;t have been so bad.<br />
Or I would have deplaned and instead of rushing straight to baggage claim, I would have sent my flying partner there and I would have waited for the pilot to deplane and come down the hallway, and then ask him.<br />
I would have wanted the name of the person responsible for choosing the music, and also for deciding to play it.<br />
On every flight I have taken, usually with Jet Blue, Allegiance Air,  or Delta, there has never been any type of music being played while boarding or deplaning, they always give out headphones so that passengers can choose their own music or watch the tv (in the case of Jet Blue with tvs in every seat). </p>
<p>I would have wanted to know the name of person who chose the music and decided to play it so that when I wrote my letter, I could include that information along with my flight information so that AA could specifically look up that flight and speak with the persons responsible for making the last 10-15 minutes of my flight uncomfortable.  </p>
<p>Some asked if 1 song is ok or is 3 songs too many? Is there a number of songs that would have made it ok or worse?<br />
Personally, even 1 song of this type would have upset me and made the last 10-15 minutes of what was a pleasant flight, now turn bad.<br />
Instead of remembering a good flight, I would have been focused on that 1 song and how it made me feel.<br />
People like all kinds of different music, no matter what type of music the airline played, it would have upset at the very least 1-5 passengers on any given flight., so this is why, in my opinion, that airlines should choose not to play any music at all at any time during any flight.<br />
If they refrain from playing any music, then not a single passenger would have cause to be upset. </p>
<p>Airlines are in the business of transporting people in basically, captivity, we are a totally captive audience, we have no choice but to listen to anything that may be played or spoken at any time during our flight, so if an airline wants to keep all of it&#039;s passengers happy and continuing to choose to fly with them on all future flights, they should choose not to possibly offend even a single passenger, and choose not play anything at all.  </p>
<p>This is of course, just my opinion, other people are obviously entitled to theirs, but now that I know there is a possibility of American Airlines playing christian music during flights, even just the last 10-15 minutes of a flight, it has already made my decision of which airline to NOT fly with much easier.<br />
I will not fly with American Airlines because of the possibility of christian music being played.  </p>
<p>I really hope that whomever was responsible for the music was told that it was a bad idea and to refrain from doing it in the future, but I highly doubt the person responsible will stop.<br />
Christians are supposed to share the word of their god with whoever they can whenever they can, they are supposed to share the message, so unless the person&#039;s job was on the line, they will probably continue to do this on more flights in the future.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://lifewithoutfaith.com/?p=2349&#038;cpage=1#comment-479</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 05:23:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it would be a good idea to see if the pilot of an aircraft had a springy Virgin Mary on the dashboard of the airplane before flying.  
 
If the pilot is relying on that rather than training and instrumentation then you are in trouble. 
 
Chris </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it would be a good idea to see if the pilot of an aircraft had a springy Virgin Mary on the dashboard of the airplane before flying.  </p>
<p>If the pilot is relying on that rather than training and instrumentation then you are in trouble. </p>
<p>Chris</p>
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		<title>By: Joanne</title>
		<link>http://lifewithoutfaith.com/?p=2349&#038;cpage=1#comment-383</link>
		<dc:creator>Joanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:25:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brother RIchard - thanks for the link! I&#039;m looking forward to hearing from your readers. For the record, I actually see Margaret&#039;s point. I wouldn&#039;t want to be trapped in a plane cabin and forced to listen to religious music that&#039;s essentially preaching, either, regardless of the religion. :)  
 
Thanks so much! 
Joanne 
host of the Gospel Soundcheck blog </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brother RIchard &#8211; thanks for the link! I&#039;m looking forward to hearing from your readers. For the record, I actually see Margaret&#039;s point. I wouldn&#039;t want to be trapped in a plane cabin and forced to listen to religious music that&#039;s essentially preaching, either, regardless of the religion. <img src='http://lifewithoutfaith.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   </p>
<p>Thanks so much!<br />
Joanne<br />
host of the Gospel Soundcheck blog</p>
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		<title>By: mighein</title>
		<link>http://lifewithoutfaith.com/?p=2349&#038;cpage=1#comment-374</link>
		<dc:creator>mighein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 11:48:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, Lisa.  Your point about &#039;every little perceived attack&#039; is dead on.  It is a cry wolf situation, to be sure. 
 
Regards, </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, Lisa.  Your point about &#039;every little perceived attack&#039; is dead on.  It is a cry wolf situation, to be sure. </p>
<p>Regards,</p>
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		<title>By: mighein</title>
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		<dc:creator>mighein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 11:46:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that the letter was appropriate.  I like the desentization angle though, that&#039;s a good thought. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that the letter was appropriate.  I like the desentization angle though, that&#039;s a good thought.</p>
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		<title>By: Jean Marie</title>
		<link>http://lifewithoutfaith.com/?p=2349&#038;cpage=1#comment-372</link>
		<dc:creator>Jean Marie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 07:41:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Asking for peace in a secular setting does not strike me as &quot;whiney&quot;.  I doubt Ms Downey was &quot;whiney&quot;.  We do indeed, have the right to speak up, against both the insiduous as well as  the overt, unlawful pushing of religion into secular settings. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Asking for peace in a secular setting does not strike me as &quot;whiney&quot;.  I doubt Ms Downey was &quot;whiney&quot;.  We do indeed, have the right to speak up, against both the insiduous as well as  the overt, unlawful pushing of religion into secular settings.</p>
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		<title>By: Jean Marie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jean Marie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 07:38:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mighien, i do agree that religion IS silly stuff, but it is disturbing.  And we have a right to ask to not be offended in a secular setting.  I applaud Ms Downey for speaking up for those of us who find christianity offensive: 
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ebonmusings.org/atheism/atrocities.html&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;http://www.ebonmusings.org/atheism/atrocities.htm...&lt;/a&gt; 
 
 </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mighien, i do agree that religion IS silly stuff, but it is disturbing.  And we have a right to ask to not be offended in a secular setting.  I applaud Ms Downey for speaking up for those of us who find christianity offensive:<br />
<a href="http://www.ebonmusings.org/atheism/atrocities.html" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://www.ebonmusings.org/atheism/atrocities.htm.." rel="nofollow">http://www.ebonmusings.org/atheism/atrocities.htm..</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Jean Marie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jean Marie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 07:34:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I posted a response to the Belief.net article that you linked above ...hee hee!!   
 
~Jean Marie </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I posted a response to the Belief.net article that you linked above &#8230;hee hee!!   </p>
<p>~Jean Marie</p>
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		<title>By: JohnAtl</title>
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		<dc:creator>JohnAtl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:40:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rap and country can be as offensive as Christian. It all depends on what they are advocating. For instance, in the case of rap, shooting cops, objectifying women, etc. In the case of country, turning your brain off, working your 40 hours and promoting consumerism. Although their goal may not be to convert people, people do become desensitized/complacent by hearing things repeatedly. Example: &quot;When the bough breaks the cradle will fall/And down will come baby cradle and all.&quot; 
I think a letter to the company was appropriate. 
Telling the flight attendant is irrelevant, as people at that level don&#039;t usually have any control, and I doubt any comment would be passed up the chain of command. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rap and country can be as offensive as Christian. It all depends on what they are advocating. For instance, in the case of rap, shooting cops, objectifying women, etc. In the case of country, turning your brain off, working your 40 hours and promoting consumerism. Although their goal may not be to convert people, people do become desensitized/complacent by hearing things repeatedly. Example: &quot;When the bough breaks the cradle will fall/And down will come baby cradle and all.&quot;<br />
I think a letter to the company was appropriate.<br />
Telling the flight attendant is irrelevant, as people at that level don&#039;t usually have any control, and I doubt any comment would be passed up the chain of command.</p>
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